Video: Lone cyclist stops ‘People’s Convoy’ trucker protest in Washington DC

hawkinspeter wrote:

JustTryingToGetFromAtoB wrote:

Unfortunately, for the vast majority claiming they are stopping murder, they could just given men the snip until such time they can consensually bring a life into the world. No sperm, no conception, no "murder". And reversible... unlike an ectopic pregnancy that some of these fuckwits tried to legislate against. They'll never go for it which is why I call bullshit on these stated beliefs.

Some religions frown on birth control, so that may not be a viable solution.

Personally, I find it extremely distasteful that people try to encode specific religious beliefs into law though maybe that's my atheism talking.

How else do you ensure you have a guaranteed following. Reject birth control, reject abortion and make sex about procreation. In its extreme you end up with a family like the Duggers in the USA of 19 kids and counting fame, who used that fame to influence legislation and tear down the rights designed to protect the LGBTQ+ community. I have come across some Catholics in the UK with a similar mindset. The irony is it is the likes of these who cry the most about cancel culture.

Rich_cb wrote:

Once you invoke 'the greater good' you're always in a tricky situation.

There will be many people in the US who argue that an abortion ban is good for society as a whole even if it leads to significant harm for individuals.

The same argument is used in favour of mandatory vaccination.

Your viewpoint on either will depend on how much weight you place on the respective harms and benefits.

The trouble is, as a sweeping assumption, the individuals advocating enforced birth have virtually zero knowledge of biology. It would be funny if it wasn't so horrific that legislators signing in 'six week' legislation have know idea that the six week clock starts a couple of weeks before conception. Of course, zero knowledge us baked in, the same people advocating enforced birth are the same advocating that reproductive health is removed from schools curriculums. And you can't have a sensible conversation about false equivalence regarding abortion/masks/vaxwhen ignorance is baked into the process.

Generally speaking, I find the loudest proponents of freedom are far more vocal on thier own freedom to do something than they are on the freedom of other to be free of the thing they want to do.

On a more cheerful note, who knows the motivations or political leaning of the lone cyclist. But it is amusing.

I have very little time for most anti-abortionists but, as with all viewpoints, I do try to empathise with their perspective.

If you are devoutly religious, genuinely believe that life begins at conception and that the 5th commandment therefore applies, then I can see why you'd be vehemently opposed to abortion.

I'm not in any way religious but that perspective does at least make sense to me. I don't, however, believe that most anti-abortionists are genuinely that devout.

There is a lot of ignorance in society in general.

Most of those in favour of vaccine passports (in my experience) have no idea that the efficacy of a double vaccination (on infection) is pretty much zero after 6 months.

I'm very much in favour of this cyclists actions, a nice peaceful protest. From that (very short) clip it does appear that the truck drivers were behaving safely which is also good to seen

Rich_cb wrote:

I have very little time for most anti-abortionists but, as with all viewpoints, I do try to empathise with their perspective.

If you are devoutly religious, genuinely believe that life begins at conception and that the 5th commandment therefore applies, then I can see why you'd be vehemently opposed to abortion.

I'm not in any way religious but that perspective does at least make sense to me. I don't, however, believe that most anti-abortionists are genuinely that devout.

There is a lot of ignorance in society in general.

Most of those in favour of vaccine passports (in my experience) have no idea that the efficacy of a double vaccination (on infection) is pretty much zero after 6 months.

I'm very much in favour of this cyclists actions, a nice peaceful protest. From that (very short) clip it does appear that the truck drivers were behaving safely which is also good to seen

Likewise, I can have some sympathy with the religious belief but can't reconcile enforcing the religious belief on others to their harm. And let's be clear, birth causes harm.

A good rule of thumb is whether the proponent of enforced birth gives a shit about life once exit occurs from the birth canel. If not, I think we can probably conclude it's a form of control and nothing to do with every sperm being sacred etc etc.

That is an excellent rule of thumb.

Contrasting politicians' voting records on abortion and early years education is always enlightening.

The last time I checked the statistics, teenagers were on average 4x as likely to be murdered in the US as in the UK. 

Roulereo wrote:

The Left can't cope with any opposing opinion, this is just another example. . 

There are no greater hypocrits than those on the Left, who claim to be for free speech and people's rights. 

I can't help wondering what evidence you have that the cyclist is left wing?  If, as I suspect, you don't have any, then your entire diatribe is pointless; but I think everyone has already worked that out.

Oh, and "hypocrites" has a "e" in it.

Sure it's an assumption that the Cyclist is Left wing (as he is trying to block a non Left wing protest), but if it smells like it, looks like it, etc....

Condescending has an "e" in it too, how about that?  

Roulereo wrote:

Condescending has an "e" in it too, how about that?  

Actually if you look carefully it has two Es.

Maybe the first "e" caused his vision to get a bit fuzzy...

Roulereo wrote:

Sure it's an assumption that the Cyclist is Left wing (as he is trying to block a non Left wing protest), but if it smells like it, looks like it, etc....

Condescending has an "e" in it too, how about that?  

It is also very possible that the cyclist did not want to see the harassment and noise pollution that blighted Ottowa to overtake a city they lived in.  It is also very possible that the cyclist is a vaccinated truck driver (like the 90% Canadian truck drivers that are vaccinated) who does not want the actions of a vocal minority to draw attention away from the real issues of low pay and safety that really affect them.

https://theconversation.com/canadian-trucker-protests-show-how-the-loude...

Nope, hypocrisy is beholden to no political philosophy. It's as warm and comfortable on one side as the other. Still if you can't take comfort from someone standing up for their beliefs in a peaceful and persuasive manner you're no friend of freedom however much you assert to the contrary. There's a word for that, hmmm...whatever could it be?

Interesting take, that he is somehow standing up for his freedoms (whatever they are), but clearly he is seeking to deny others theirs. 

I would take comfort in him standing up for his beliefs, if he was, say a vaccinated truck driver in disguise (that was very funny, @stomec albeit unintentional). But he's just an unpaid patsy lining up with the elites, Klaus Schwab and the Big Tech bosses, the cancel culture, the "Hunter Biden's Laptop is a lie" media etc. They're the ones sneering at working class people to "f... off". 

No amount of links to waffling left wing rags will help that argument either. 

Roulereo wrote:

Interesting take, that he is somehow standing up for his freedoms (whatever they are), but clearly he is seeking to deny others theirs. 

The truckers are standing up for freedom but anyone who exercises their freedom to disrupt their demonstration for their freedom shouldn't have the freedom to exercise their freedom! 

"You're free to agree with me" seems to be your take on freedom.

Left wing links? There were none. You should get down to Specsavers.

Roulereo wrote:

Interesting take, that he is somehow standing up for his freedoms (whatever they are), but clearly he is seeking to deny others theirs. 

I would take comfort in him standing up for his beliefs, if he was, say a vaccinated truck driver in disguise (that was very funny, @stomec albeit unintentional). But he's just an unpaid patsy lining up with the elites, Klaus Schwab and the Big Tech bosses, the cancel culture, the "Hunter Biden's Laptop is a lie" media etc. They're the ones sneering at working class people to "f... off". 

No amount of links to waffling left wing rags will help that argument either. 

How do you know he was an "unpaid patsy lining up with the elites"?  Is this secret intel from JFK Jnr?

What links to waffling left wing rags are you talking about?

On the flipside everyone who disagrees with your world view is an elite on the left yadyadayada, and anyone calling out YouTube researchers advocating driking piss and taking horse dewormer are trying to "cancel" people.

Vaccines work, masks are effective to a degree, social distancing and lockdowns were a blunt tool as we enetered the uknown with hospitals filling and people dying. I was lucky, I didn't lose anyone close to me, I know people who did and I have a family member who makes coffins, lets just say they did a lot of businsess!

It was ironic that at the point goverment were easing restrictions and I was largely going about my life normally, mass protests abounded, pepole gathering in large numbers risking undoing what had been achived. But yes it is people like myself who give a damn about the vulnerable, the immunocompromised who cannot take the vaccine, that are the bad ones. The leftists blah blah blah. 

You haven't got a clue about free speech and rights. Your like don't give a damn about the rights of the vulnerable in society, and protecting them from disease, you lack empathy.

Agree on first video, second one I suppose depends on the definition of "peaceful". 

100 Decibels of truck engines and 150 decibels of truck horn multiple times is not that peaceful. 

I think most protests are noisy, I was obviously referring to the, apparent, lack of violence and/or property damage.

The truck horns would annoy me if I lived nearby but that's very much a price worth paying for the freedom to protest.

Weird to think that's now at risk in the UK as it'd be at risk of causing 'serious annoyance' - or similar language - if the new crime bill goes through.

The right to peaceful protest should be sacrosanct but I am concerned about protests on railways/motorways etc as the risk to public safety is high and the definition of peaceful protest is therefore stretched IMO.

Most protests are indeed noisy, although not sure if the combined chanting of a crowd (About 90 decibels) is comparable to noises that all health guidances state can cause hearing damages if happening for more then a few mins.

NOtotheEU wrote:

Am I missing something?

Common sense, basic understanding and about 50 IQ points, I'd reckon. When the good people of the East End demonstrated against Mosley's blackshirts demonstrating there, were they wrong to use a demonstration to stop a demonstration?

WOW, you are incredibly rude, having a bad day? 

I'm pretty sure the good people of the East End did not want Fascism, while the truckers and (unless I'm really misunderstanding their name) ShutDownDC both want to, er, shut down DC.

Anyway, I hope your day improves.

NOtotheEU wrote:

the truckers and (unless I'm really misunderstanding their name) ShutDownDC both want to, er, shut down DC.

My dog has four legs and a tail, my cat has four legs and a tail, therefore my dog is a cat. The police want to close Whitehall for Remembrance Day ceremonies, Insulate Britain want close Whitehall to protest about environmental issues, so hey, they must have basically the same aims? I apologise for my assumption about your IQ, I was being way too generous.

I was originally trying to make an amusing comment on the situation and obviously failed miserably to understand the complete lack of a sense of humour in the readers of this website so I apologise sincerely for that.

If you mistakenly thought I was making some sort of political point and decided to troll me then well done. You fooled me and I took it seriously so maybe my IQ isn't as high as I thought. If however you are trying to make a serious point then you are not doing yourself any favours with your analogies, none so far have been in any way comparable to this situation, at least in the way you intended. 

@ShutDownDC say "ShutdownDC uses strategic direct action to advance justice and hold officials accountable. Based on the statements I have read the truckers have similar aims. The politics of both sides may be different but their aims are, on the surface, very similar, which is what my failed attempt at humour was implying.

Fascists and anti-Fascists have very different aims, as do the police and Insulate Britain. Cats and dogs do not protest as far as I know, but they do often dislike each other at the same time as wanting the same things (survival and reproduction) so this was at least a similar situation, although you obviously used it in a completely different context.

If you are trying seriously to show us how superior your 'common sense, basic understanding and I.Q points' are you'll have to try much harder. If you are just trolling me then well done, you got me again!

Please don't forget we are all (I assume) cyclists here and face the same dangers and problems every day so whether you are being serious or just trolling, please try to keep it civil and have a nice day.

NOtotheEU wrote:

I was originally trying to make an amusing comment on the situation and obviously failed miserably

Spot on.